Annoying Questions I'd Like Answered...

Crissa · Post by **Crissa** » Sun Jun 27, 2010 7:42 am

Special handling in jail, special execution buildings and personnel, extra appeals...

Personally, I don't support it, either. But limiting appeals to a number is artificial and somewhat stupid. It leads to facial court hearings rather than real facings of evidence.

-Crissa

RandomCasualty2 · Post by **RandomCasualty2** » Sun Jun 27, 2010 9:00 am

Koumei wrote: But that's all besides the point. My question is, on the "It costs more to execute someone than to put them away for life" statement that seems accepted as universal truth but lacks a [Citation needed], how?

Mostly appeals and the fact that executions keep getting pushed back to the point that there's a lot of people on death row, but very few actual executions (at least in the United States).

Basically the court is determined to make sure they got it right when it comes to the death penalty and basically gives appeal hearings out the ass as well as sometimes full blown new trials.

Prak · Post by **Prak** » Sun Jun 27, 2010 10:48 am

Count Arioch the 28th wrote:
Maj wrote: That's totally good advice until you start thinking about quality of life.
Perhaps I didn't express myself well, please allow me to clarify.

What I was attempting to get across was that if Prak feels that it's not ethical to eat meat or whatever and become a vegan, that's totally his choice. I won't mock him or anyone else for their choice in food. We are lucky enough to live in a society with ample food and plenty of choices.

However, my opinion is that if anyone tries to push their ethics on you when you are trying to have the only enjoyable part of the day for 99% of the population, you should tell them to pike it. Not one vegan has convinced me that the perception of plants is irrelevant. Yes, I understand that animals have feelings and most don't like the conditions they are put under. Plants perceive their environment too, and many release chemicals meant to communicate to other plants when distressed. That raw carrot you ate this morning was technically still alive and felt being torn to shreds then doused in hydrochloric acid.

(Plus, I live an inhumane life where I'm denied basic medical care and treated poorly, and I'm even an animal, and no PETA dipshit is lobbying places to hire me so I can have a better life, so fuck them and their support of terrorism.)

Yeah, I give my friend no shit for deciding he's going to listen to tunnel-visioned, biased crackpots and not eat meat. He seems to have improved his health on his diet, so good on him. I like meat, and I see life as fueled by death and, to a lesser extent, pain, so it makes no difference to me whether that death is the death of an animal or a bunch of plants, it's all death in the end, fueling my life, until I die and fuel the life of micro-organisms and worms.

Jilocasin · Post by **Jilocasin** » Sun Jun 27, 2010 11:17 am

Crissa wrote:But I have some friends with various allergies or intolerances and it gets annoying to be told to eat this or not that.

-Crissa

Okay, I have to ask, friends actually tell you what kinds of food to eat (or not) in more than a simple suggestion or advice kind of way? That seems oddly intrusive. None of my friends who have allergies or intolerances have ever suggested that I shouldn't eat nuts or sesame seeds or whatever. Hell, with the possible exception of my father, I probably have the most severe ALDH2 deficiency you'll ever come across in a person. Any alcohol makes my heart rate skyrocket to dangerous levels for a prolonged period of time, learned that lesson the hard way, and were I fifteen years older death would have been swift. I don't have any impulse to tell people not to drink though.

Koumei · Post by **Koumei** » Sun Jun 27, 2010 11:48 am

My stepsister is crazy allergic to nuts. As in, she needed one of those stimm-packs and a trip to ER after her girlfriend kissed her... after eating a single cookie with nuts in it earlier that day.

When she lived here, she didn't so much tell us not to eat nuts as... she'd come home from work (at Subway) with all the leftover cookies. And she'd give us the bag of macadamia ones to eat. Usually labelled "Death Cookies".

Count Arioch the 28th · Sun Jun 27, 2010 1:17 pm

I've gotten made fun of because I refuse to eat soy. I'm not doing it as some macho posing trying to make me look butch, soy gives me explosive diarrhea and stomach cramps severe enough to make me cry.

And here's the thing about the death penalty: I don't have a moral objection to the idea that certain people need to not exist anymore. What I object to is that in America, the death penalty isn't used consistently in states that have it.

In cases with the same capital charges, blacks and hispanics are WAY more likely to get it than whites. The death penalty itself doesn't bother me, the racism does.

CatharzGodfoot · Post by **CatharzGodfoot** » Sun Jun 27, 2010 4:47 pm

It's funny, Count, isn't it? My wife is genetically lactose intolerant, so she uses soy milk. If I drink more than about half a cup of soy milk, I start getting flu-like symptoms.

As far as the death penalty goes, even if you apply it fairly and hold it to an even greater standard than "reasonable doubt", the way it's carried out is absurd. The deserving victim of institutionalized murder has to be in perfect health, both mentally and physically. We have to employ elaborate Rube Goldberg death machines to make sure that the killing isn't "cruel" or "unusual". It just costs way too fucking much.

Kaelik · Post by **Kaelik** » Sun Jun 27, 2010 4:56 pm

Yeah, I can never understand the stupid shit with death penalty restrictions. People seriously fake stomach aches to postpone their execution, and it usually works for about a day before they actually bring in a doctor to check, and then...

They fucking kill you. Because they couldn't do that when you had a stomach ache.

Ganbare Gincun · Post by **Ganbare Gincun** » Sun Jun 27, 2010 5:03 pm

Koumei wrote:The only thing that seems likely to me, unless you order a massive fucking last meal, is the fact that there are a lot of appeals and additional court matters.

In America, the additional court costs are the main factor that makes executing prisoners more expensive then keeping them in prison for the rest of their lives. Once you've been sentenced to die in the state court system, it becomes a federal matter, which means that you can appeal your case in the federal court after your state appeals have been exhausted.

On average, it costs three times more to execute a criminal then it does to keep them in prison for the rest of their lives.

Prak · Post by **Prak** » Sun Jun 27, 2010 6:44 pm

Koumei wrote:My stepsister is crazy allergic to nuts. As in, she needed one of those stimm-packs and a trip to ER after her girlfriend kissed her... after eating a single cookie with nuts in it earlier that day.

When she lived here, she didn't so much tell us not to eat nuts as... she'd come home from work (at Subway) with all the leftover cookies. And she'd give us the bag of macadamia ones to eat. Usually labelled "Death Cookies".

My ex was highly allergic to tree nuts, mangos (and a lot of other tropical fruits), and cranberries. To the point that she would tell anyone eating one of those things to not touch her until they washed their hands. So much so that it seemed more like an attention getting rather than caution thing...

Maj · Post by **Maj** » Sun Jun 27, 2010 7:22 pm

Crissa wrote:Prolly the sucralose, then.

Considering there are four substitutes for sugar listed, it's kind of hard to say. Regardless, the stuff isn't real food, so I don't eat it. What I don't understand is why - especially for my own birthday dinner - my stepmom won't serve me something that won't make me feel like crap.

It's like the passive-aggressive form of telling me what I'm supposed to eat.

Count Arioch the 28th · Mon Jun 28, 2010 2:03 am

Sucralose is an inert compound. (Not ruling it out, there are tons of inert compounds that cause digestive issues). It is so inert that in Sweden their environmental agency found elevated levels of it in the water. Some digging showed that the chemical is passing through the body unchanged and is passing through standard wastewater treatment plants completely unchanged.

Meikle641 · Post by **Meikle641** » Fri Jul 02, 2010 5:58 am

I don't suppose any of the lawyers on here have experience in family law, eh? I could use some advice regarding someone I know.

Prak · Post by **Prak** » Mon Jul 05, 2010 10:57 pm

What is with so many spirits in Japanese myth being mischievous tricksters? Kitsune, Kappa, Tanuki, Nekomata, Tengu... seriously, it's like everything that doesn't want to outright pop you into it's mouth (and even some things that do) wants to annoy the shit out of you with pranks and tricks.

and... what the fuck is with the body humour? Tanuki with testicles that are hilariously oversized... fine. Kappa "feed on these victims by sucking out their shirikodama (尻子玉?), a mythical ball inside the anus"? Seriously? They're bubba-hotep...

Count Arioch the 28th · Mon Jul 05, 2010 11:08 pm

I am 30 years old, I have a degree with a 2.7 GPA. Why does everyone keep denying me shit because my high school GPA? I haven't been to high school for 13 years goddammit.

Crissa · Post by **Crissa** » Tue Jul 06, 2010 12:24 am

Yeah, I was applying for some apprenticeship, and I'm wondering... 'Dude, I graduated almost twenty years ago. Why do you want my transcript?'

-Crissa

Koumei · Post by **Koumei** » Tue Jul 06, 2010 3:01 am

I seriously was not built for physical labour (as my headache, back pains and twisted* finger are informing me, after moving 400 pavers without an opium break). I also possess no skills or shit that are employable. So why the fuck was I not born wealthy? Seriously, only rich people should be useless, then their uselessness doesn't actually affect them and they can just spout right wing nonsense.

*or some other minor injury that hurts and interferes with the very task that caused it.

Count Arioch the 28th · Tue Jul 06, 2010 12:36 pm

Prak_Anima wrote: Kappa "feed on these victims by sucking out their shirikodama (尻子玉?), a mythical ball inside the anus"

Part of that is because back in "the day", poor Japanese parents would deal with unwanted children by drowning them in the river. They would tell their living children that the Kappa lived in the place the whole village drowned their kids and that the Kappa killed their brothers and sisters. It is common during the normal decaying process for bugs and scavengers to start eating you asshole first and for the bowels to protrude from the hole left over. Therefore, the kids will see corpses with the asshole eaten and the bowels coming out and think their parents were telling them the truth.

Prak · Post by **Prak** » Tue Jul 06, 2010 7:52 pm

that makes sense in a strange sort of way.

Count Arioch the 28th · Tue Jul 06, 2010 11:07 pm

That's usually my conclusion when I research the stranger aspects of Japanese culture.

Cynic · Post by **Cynic** » Wed Jul 07, 2010 1:13 am

so what is the explanation for the tentacle obsession.

Prak · Post by **Prak** » Wed Jul 07, 2010 1:28 am

NSFW:

Woodblock print by Hokusai (or he did one like it), that's the earliest example of the tentacle thing I can think of.

edit: found the original print.

Cynic · Post by **Cynic** » Wed Jul 07, 2010 2:10 am

fucking japanese...

Count Arioch the 28th · Wed Jul 07, 2010 2:12 am

Also, the wives of Fishermen were regarded as particularly likely to get themselves some strange due to their husbands being gone for days at a time.

Although tentacle stuff existed ages ago, it didn't really kick into high gear until after WWII. You see, Japanese people didn't have Western morality when it came to sex, they were fairly open. America tried to shoehorn in their morality to occupied japan. They outlawed porn that had pubic hair and outlawed anything shaped like a penis. Thus began the birth of lolicon and the increased interest in tentaclesex. Although you can show penises in porn now, it's still illegal to sell dildos that look like penises in Japan.

Blasted · Post by **Blasted** » Wed Jul 07, 2010 2:16 am

Count Arioch the 28th wrote:it's still illegal to sell dildos that look like penises in Japan.

I find that very amusing.